In a previous post on our recurring topic of civility at Family Scholars Blog,
I wrote:
"One of the biggest barriers to civil dialogue is, I believe, the failure to understand those with whom we disagree."
I further cited theologian Karen Armstrong, who said:
“Try to put yourself in the position of the ‘other side’ ~ as the
compassionate ethos demands ~ and ask yourself ‘How much do I really
know about their history of pain, achievement, oppression,
disappointment, fear, idealism, and aspiration ~ all of which, on both
sides, have contributed to this violence?’”
As a
preliminary matter, I would define a "mixed-company conversation" as,
say, one between feminist women versus men who are not informed about
feminism or gender studies. Or, for instance, heterosexual opponents of
equality versus non-heterosexual people. I don't want to get too hung up
on definitions here, but my basic gist is that a "mixed-company"
conversation is one in which the parties involved often have different
lived experiences, due to the fact that many people in society treat
them differently based on their identities as, and prevailing
stereotypes about, men, women, heterosexuals, and/or non-heterosexuals.
Within conversations where the goal is for civil dialogue to occur, I think
we especially need to be mindful of attempts to use humor and
facetiousness. Although
it can be tempting to use humor to diffuse tensions, if it is not done
with an awareness of the experiences of "the other side" it can come off
as hostile. It can, and often does, actually escalate tensions with the
very people one purports to want to engage in a civil manner.
I have taken issue here before with the "facetious," half-joking use of
aggressive, over-the-top rhetoric to describe other people's political actions. And, most
recently, I've also taken issue with a little snippet in one of
Matthew's recent posts on "benevolent sexism." In order to facilitate the discussion,
he linked to the controversial Charles Murray, saying:
"Charles Murray has some thoughts on a new study in Psychology of Women Quarterly that I don’t imagine are going to be popular in some circles.
I’m just going to leave this here and run in the other direction…"
While
all of the comments pertaining to Matthew's joke have been deleted by the
admin here (not at my request*), I had initially asked Matthew why he wrote that "run in the other direction" bit. My point wasn't to
make a big deal about it. I thought he was just
trying to make a joke and likely didn't even know that that's a problematic
pattern of behavior men often engage in when they try to talk about
gender issues with women and feminists.
In my decades of experience as a feminist, I've found that it's
pretty common for men in "mixed-company" with female feminists to
precede their statements on gender with something along the lines of,
"You're going to clobber me for saying this, but," or
"I'm going to get
killed here, but," or, the Internet version: which is for men to make
some, what they deem "politically incorrect," argument and then follow
it with a "*ducks*" as though they're dodging a punch that a woman is
throwing at them in response.
Given that Matthew noted that the study he was citing wasn't "going to be popular in some circles" and that he's a man
venturing into talking about sexism against women, I interpreted his
"I'm just going to leave this here and run in the other direction" as a
similar precursor to his article.
Now, I don't expect everyone to agree with me on
the point that his "joke" wasn't funny. I don't expect everyone to agree
with me that the precursor was, no matter how it was intended, rude. And, I don't even expect all women or all feminists to agree with me
here.
On the civility front, though, I would find it reasonable for conversation participants to at least try to understand
my argument and where I'm coming from, rather than reflexively
dismissing or trivializing it. I would also expect people to acknowledge that
humor is a subjective experience, and that what's funny to some people
isn't funny to all people, and that people might have legitimate reasons
for not thinking that something is funny.
When one, for instance, understands that a common stereotype of
feminists is that we're hysterical, oversensitive man-haters who can't
take a joke, one might better understand why feminists who show up to
engage in civil dialogue might not chuckle at a man's "joke" that
uh-oh, he better run away after he posts a link,
a statement that "half-jokingly" implies that he might be physically or
verbally assaulted at some point within the conversation. Simply put, the joke does not assume good faith on the part of other participants that they'll be able to react non-aggressively.
Indeed, in one of the comments that the admin deleted, a different man suggested
that Matthew felt "hurt" by my argument and, simultaneously, that other
people "felt" they had to "walk on eggshells around" me because I point stuff like this out. But, well, it does become apparent though, especially with respect to humor, part of civility is accepting that maybe
all participants in mixed-company conversation need to do a little eggshell-walking-on
.
I know some folks take a certain pride in being "un-PC," but in my experience such people are oftentimes quite prickly themselves when their own sensitivities are on the line in some way. For instance, in this forum, I recognize that cursing isn't "PC" and is, in fact, banned, so I respect that rule because to not respect it would impede the goal of having civil conversation here. And, the fact that Matthew included his joke at all in his piece certainly made me wonder,
wow, but can I actually disagree with him
without him feeling super threatened? How delicately do I have to put
any sort of disagreement for him to not feel abused at the hands of Angry Feminists?
I would further suggest that responses to my argument, an argument
in which I did not once utter the word "sexist" or say that I thought
Matthew was being intentionally rude, that I would see as
evidence of authentic openness to engage would be
something along the lines of, "Fannie, I'm new to this and am not sure I understand what
your complaint is, can you explain it further?"
Less thoughtful responses to jokes that don't go over super well would
include exasperated statements along the lines of,
"Oh good grief! I
was being facetious," other people jumping in to assume the role of "neutral third
party" who think that just because
they don't see anything
offensive then nothing offensive exists, and comments like,
"Keep the jokes comin'! Most people
like jokes!"
Because, well, most people do like jokes. I certainly do. In fact, I used to write for a popular lesbian humor website,
writing all sorts of self-deprecating jokes about queer women for queer
women and we'd all laugh at ourselves.
However, by the end of
this particular
conversation, a conversation in mixed-company about a serious
topic, we
weren't all laughing together. Which I think speaks to
the fact that if a joke in such a context doesn't go over super well,
maybe the joke-teller could think about why that is and ask some
clarifying questions.
Sure, I get that it's everyone's right to say whatever they want to say and to laugh at whatever they want to laugh at. And
if that's folks' prerogative to do that in mixed-company conversations,
okay. But then I would argue that we should also not pretend that such
approaches constitute civility or attempts at understanding.
I'll end by noting that if men can't handle the little things in a
civil manner, like a woman suggesting that it's problematic for a man to
"joke" that he better run away from the conversation participants after he posts a controversial article, do they really expect women to trust that they're capable of
participating in the bigger conversations- about rape, abortion, and autonomy-
in a civil manner?
See also:
Feminism 101: Helpful Hints For Dudes, Part 7
Cross-posted:
Family Scholars Blog
(*I'm not challenging the comment deletions, I'm just letting people
know that the referenced conversation was deleted and that I wasn't the
person who deleted it.)